Comments on: Propane fire training

By: jlbalr

jlbalr — Thu, 03 Sep 2009 11:17:12 +0000

amen
amen

By: crabtrap

crabtrap — Thu, 03 Sep 2009 11:17:12 +0000

second Q; when the …
second Q; when the relief valve “relives” could it propel the 20lbs tank (like a rocket)?

By: crabtrap

crabtrap — Thu, 03 Sep 2009 11:17:12 +0000

to any FFers here;i …
to any FFers here;i had a deck fire (check my utube account for vid) the deck had 2 -20lbs tanks that did not rupture one butane bottle did.Q is:what happens when a relief valve blows in a fire?is it a column of flame? i had 2 cast aluminuim grills on deck that the aluminuim turned to powder as did the aluminum siding. a standard wood (deck)fire would not do this and my only answer id the tanks torched the grills in a propane column.
view my video page to see the damage

By: daveroni12

daveroni12 — Thu, 03 Sep 2009 11:17:12 +0000

hello there… is …
o there… is this one firefighter reaching through the wall to shut that valve off and how he heck is he doing that?? would that not provide a hole for the propane to rush through and cause serious damage? sir if you dont mind me asking you these questions it would be greatly appreciated if you could reply to these. where are you instructing? i respect what you wrote.. please take care. d

By: pipish09

pipish09 — Thu, 03 Sep 2009 11:17:12 +0000

I am an Industrial …
I am an Industrial Rescue and Fire instructor, and if I EVER saw any of my guys training in this manner without respiratory protection on… I would skid them off site in a heart beat. “Controled” atmosphere or not… accidents do and will happen if ALL procedures are not followed at all times. If you wouldnt work without it. You shouldn’t train without it.

By: svfd5900

svfd5900 — Thu, 03 Sep 2009 11:17:12 +0000

Only way to keep …
Only way to keep that relief from operating is by straight-streaming the tank upon approach until it cools down enough for it to stop, then you advance while gradually shifting to a fog pattern to cover the tank and keep the heat off. They completely left that part out and started on fog. But then again, I’m not too sure if I would really want to actually fight one; I don’t want to be near it when it BLEVEs.

I must say, though, when I went through, it was a very impressive prop nonetheless.

By: Wrjorgen

Wrjorgen — Thu, 03 Sep 2009 11:17:12 +0000

It concerns me that …
It concerns me that there appears to be no concern about the relief vale operating. In our training we don’t let crews approach until the master streams have the tank cooled and the relief valve shuts off.

A venting relief valve is a bad sign!

Warren

By: agent630

agent630 — Thu, 03 Sep 2009 11:17:12 +0000

That is a …
That is a semi-controlled fire. Yes, there is a valve to turn the gas flow off. But you said it best yourself, “in a real life incident you would have scba’s on” What is that they are doing, a cartoon show? Looks pretty real life to me. And remember: train like you play and you will play like you train. And I am giving it a rest and moving on. I just want firefighters to stay safe and not get hurt at the hands of a shotty instructor.

By: clubkid43

clubkid43 — Thu, 03 Sep 2009 11:17:12 +0000

first of all that …
first of all that is a controled fire..there is a button to turn it off and turn it on you should know that having instructed class’s obviously in a real life incident you would have scba’s on

By: agent630

agent630 — Thu, 03 Sep 2009 11:17:12 +0000

I am a truck …
I am a truck Captain on a primary attack rescue pumper on a department with 98 full time firefighters. I have been in fire service for over 12 years and have instructed several classes. I can ure you failures do happen, no matter how much you test your pumps. The bottom line is, not putting on an SCBA for live fire training is simple laziness and a straight shot to get someone hurt or killed.